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Hestia vs Apollo

Jul 10th, 2017 | By | Category:


Hestia came into this game undefeated with the best point diff in the league.  In fact, nearly doubling the next highest point diff.  And yet, no love from the mid-season power rankings as Hestia was not listed as the top team to win the tournament as released this morning.  Possibly because it wasn’t a player from Hestia who made the Power Rankings.  Co-captain Dylan Patton has been through this before.  His team Dark Phoenix was undefeated last year with the highest point diff, and didn’t get the #1 odds to win the tournament either.  But of course, they DID win the tournament.  So maybe getting spurned again was a good omen.

Very unlikely to break any point diff records this year though.  With only 9 games per team, you’d have to win by an average score of 15-6 just to TIE Clarence Boddicker’s record that was set last year at +81.

So without the respect, and without the chance to break a record, Hestia just went about their business of winning games, as co-captain Debi Patton explains, in a mom-friendly recap:

RecapDebiAnother game at JAMS and this time it was quite muggy. The fields were empty and the lights were on when we got there so our games were able to start on time.

Apollo was ready for a fight and the “God of Manly Beauty” was quaffed and prepared to take the virgins downtown to the red light district!

The virgins needed to tighten their chastity belts once again if they wanted to walk away with their winning streak in tact!

Dylan Patton won the toss… again… and Hestia started on defense.

In spite of her record Hestia’s offense is still a bit of a mess often looking like flies in a mayonnaise jar. However, defense always manages to get the disc back and eventually score and so Hestia rattled off 5 unanswered points taking the lead 5-0.

After that Apollo’s Amy and Kwok began causing problems for the virtuous ones with their mad handling skills and hucks and Apollo scored the next 2 points. The score was now 6-2 and the God of Art and Poetry decided to utilize the “2 point” power hoping to close the gap a little before half time.

That was an extremely loooong point but Apollo did eventually prevail with a lady to lady deep shot from Amy to Sam.

The next 3 points alternated with Hestia taking half 8-5.

Apollo scored the first point of the second half and while the beautiful ones never took the lead they made the second half quite a bit more problematic for Hestia by throwing in some zone defense which (in my opinion) they should have kept running.

Hestia decided to use the “pick a player” power and after trying to recruit a soccer player who was going to play Ultimate at Carlton next year, they instead chose to pick Kwok and bench him for that point. Probably a good choice since Hestia did end up scoring.

The second half was also wrought with a lot more calls (mostly by Apollo)… and while things got a bit chippy at times all the calls were eventually resolved amicably.

Hestia never relinquished her lead but did allow the score to get within 2 points twice at 12-10 and 13-11 (which was giving Carl Edwards mini strokes).

The last two points were pretty epic with a beautiful deep shot from Carl to one of Hestia’s twin towers, Noah Tomaszewski, bringing the score to 14-11.

This was game point for the army of virgins and the disc actually flowed up the field for Hestia. The disc swung to Skipper who saw Ed Melo going deep on his defender and fired a shot. There was a collective gasp as Apollo’s Joel Trager got position and vehemently swatted the disc away and out of bounds only to have it come back in bounds over his head and into the waiting arms of Ed “Bi-clops” Melo to win the game for Hestia. Well DAMN!

*Hestia always chooses game MVPs from the opposing team in the spirit circle (Amy and Xavier) but I need to mention 2 players from Hestia that really stepped up. Gabe (Gabrielle Sjoberg) was clutch with the disc last night catching several difficult passes for scores or assists.

** And also huge props to Ed Melo who showed up to the fields in street clothes and asked if it was okay if he didn’t play because he was extremely sore and tired from this last weekend’s tournament. Not only did he play, but he came up HUGE for Hestia in some tight spots.

*** And an honorable mention to Dylan Patton who thought he “played like shit”, but according to Brian Kuhn’s stat sheet, caught or threw almost half our scores. Also to Hestia’s Enway Melo and Eva Grenier who made some great throws and catches during last night’s game as well.

Thanks to Apollo’s Brian Kuhn for keeping score and stats. Very helpful when writing the recap.

I’m sorry, what?  Hestia was going to recruit a soccer player who’s playing Ultimate next year at Carlton?  That’s all I get from that story?  I need some elaboration here.  I have questions:

  1. How’d you know that?
  2. Why wouldn’t they play with you?
  3. Who is he (or she?), and why isn’t he (or she?) playing in our league?
  4. Was it a he or a she?
  5. Who’s better?  The Carlton soccer player or Kwok?

One thing is clear.  Hestia has now won for the sixth time in six tries.  Look at the consistency on the standings page.  They beat you equally in the first half and second half.  A reminder that no team in Summer League history has ever gone undefeated and won the tournament.  Their final three games will be against 2-3 Uranus, 3-2 Artemis and 1-4 Hera.

We’ll get to Brian’s score keeping shortly.  First we’ll go to Apollo’s captain Liverpool:

RecapDanielHTaking on the #1 seed. I was looking forward to this game, if not all that unsure how it would go. And after last week’s oh-so-close loss (being ahead all game and then losing in the last few points), we were itching for a win. And wouldn’t it be great to be the team to deliver Hestia’s first loss?

Alas, the night was not off to an auspicious start. Despite receiving the first pull, Apollo was its own worst enemy as we made drops and throw-aways, and Hestia leapt to an easy 5-0 start. Ouch. We finally managed to get on the board and score two in a row with two great hucks from Kwok. Spirits lifted. At this point, we decided to use the momentum and play a little catch-up, and so we called the point power, where one point is worth two if we score. This… was NOT an easily-earned point. There were multiple turn-overs, way more than we were used to seeing from Hestia’s side, as everyone was anxious to make this power either fail or succeed. I think there was even a time-out called by Hestia in there somewhere. Regardless, after a long death-point, Apollo finally managed to score. Woohoo, two points! 6-4. Hestia continues to use their ladies well (they had a few that I swear had go-go gadget arms and sticky hands or something, they caught everything) and brings it to half at 8-5.

Apollo had a great second half of the first half (“otherwise known as a quarter” – Joel Trager) and were eager to keep that going twice-fold in the second half. Starting on Defense, we spent a good chunk of our half-time planning out a Zone D. It worked, as Hestia’s typically smooth offense seemed to stall and become a little unsure (despite Dylan’s nice scoobers) and they eventually threw it away for one of the only throw-aways of theirs in the evening, and Apollo got the point. Our game was definitely encouraged, as we got much smoother in our offense and made far fewer throw-aways and drops. In this manner we brought the game to 12-10 Hestia. Could we actually do it? Could we unseat the #1 seed? We could taste the victory, we wanted it.

But, that would be the closest the game got that night. Hestia used their power to pull Kwok off the line for one point… interestingly enough they did not put him on their team, they just pulled him off our line. The game eventually ended 15-11 Hestia. If we hadn’t gone down 5-0 in the beginning, we would have stood a much better chance, and perhaps the results would be different….

There were a lot of beautiful plays both on O and D, by both teams in here, including a kind-of outside-in flick from Peter Zhou (I think) (That would be difficult, as Fish plays for Hades.  – Andy.) that somehow threaded the needle from one side of the field, close to the endzone line, through a literal crowd of defenders (not really over, more through) to be caught on the other side of the field in the endzone as his cutter was running away from him.

That was, in my opinion, one of the more enjoyable games we’ve had lately. And it is not over… Apollo gets a double-header this week and goes up against Poseidon tonight. We can do it.

Most interesting that after two games this week, the thing I expected to happen hasn’t yet happened.  I was certain that when one team called the 2-point power, the other team would immediately counter with the convert a player power since the 2-point play is pretty crucial.  But also interesting that although the two teams so far that used the 2-point power both scored, neither won their game.

I’m also not sure who to believe.  Debi said “Hestia’s offense is still a bit of a mess” but Liverpool wrote that they only threw the disc away a couple times.  Could both be true?

And lastly, it IS indeed interesting that Hestia didn’t bring Kwok over to their side, but rather just benched him.  I discussed this quite a bit last year when Darth Sidious had this power.  If you choose a player from your opponent’s team to join your side, it’s a bit of a risk, as you don’t know if they’ll truly give it their all.  But last week, several teams did take that gamble, and all players who were shifted to their opponents’ side did appear to try their hardest against their own team.  Seems like Hestia wasn’t totally convinced Kwok would do the same.  Was it Hestia’s trust issues, or skepticism about Kwok.  Who can know?

And here is Brian Kuhn, with a score-by-score breakdown of the game:

RecapBrianKHestia pulls to Apollo but Apollo turns the disc over = Hestia stuff & score… Julius to Dylan P… 1-0 Hestia

Skipper to Enway 2-0

Skipper to Enway 3-0

Gabe to Eva 4-0

Skipper to Dylan P. 5-0

Kwok to Andew “The Emasculator” Kalicki 5-1

Kwok to X 5-2

Gabe to Tammas 6-2

Amy to Sam 6-3 + 1 more for using the power of two = 6-4

Ed to Noah 7-4

Joel to Amy 7-5

Liz to Tammas 8-5


Jacob to Dylan G. 8-6

Dylan P. to Tammas 9-6

Jeremy to Skipper 10-6

Kwok to Andrew “Two Sheds Jackson” Kalicki 10-7

Ed to Tammas 11-7

Orbit to Dylan G. 11-8

Dylan P. to Gabe 12-8

Orbit to Andrew “The Tijuana Torpedo” Kalicki 12-9

Joel to Kwok 12-10

Dylan P. to Ed 13-10

Amy to Orbit 13-11

Carl to Noah 14-11

Skipper to Ed 15-11

I particularly enjoyed the “Two Sheds Jackson” reference from Monty Python. It’s funny. Classic absurdist humor from the Pythons.


Date Time Competition Season
July 10, 2017 8:00 pm Summer League 2017


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  1. dark phoenix did not finish the season with the highest point diff, my team did when they beat your team in the regular season final game.

  2. I should clarify. I meant at the time the Power Rankings were released, Dark Phoenix did have the highest point diff. I was making a direct comparison to this time last year.

  3. Looking back at the score sheet, it’s obvious to me now it wasn’t Fish. Whoops. I’m pretty sure it was Dylan to Ed on at the 13-10 mark. Whatever, it was awesome.

  4. oh you mean at the regular season, they did end up losing a game and the point diff record, though.

  5. Yeah, I wasn’t at all clear on that. I was comparing each season’s mid-point.

  6. A rules-question for Andy & any & all other ‘rules-geeks’ to weigh in on. (This isn’t meant to be a hardline, hard-ass dispute inquiry. Rather it is to spur a back & forth discussion on the fine points of our unique Summer League powers). — If Hestia called upon Kwok from Apollo to play a point for them, but then “benched” him, wouldn’t Hestia then be obliged to play 6 players to 7 for that point?

  7. That’s a good question. The answer is no because Hestia only brought Kwok over to their team for a point. They’re not bringing him onto the line and then benching him. You have the option to bring him to the line if you want, but you don’t have to. He’s merely a member of your team for that point, and he can either play the point or not.

    In fact, since he’s on your team for the point, and since you can sub two players during a time-out in Summer League, you could even sub him in or out during the time-out.

    That would be an option if you brought him over to play the point, and then he was clearly tanking the point, you could call a time-out and sub him out for another player.

  8. I did have the interesting discussion with Jeremy about the power prior to them calling it… there is nothing in the rule that says how the ‘molded’ player plays. its an interesting discussion of spirit of the rule – and thinking about it now, if pride would change the way that i played if put on O or D. glad i didn’t have to decide. but on the bright side Apollo scored the point.

    also, there were a few calls made, but i don’t think that this game got chippy. played mostly clean and at a high level

  9. Andy, in answer to your soccer player questions.

    I had heard the rumblings about taking Kwak and benching him and I thought I’d take it upon myself to at least look at a different option. So I went over and asked some of the soccer players who were playing on the field right behind us if any of them knew how to play Ultimate. They said “no” and so I kept asking around until one guy said “yes”. He told me he was a senior at Winward Academy this year and plays Ultimate (didn’t elaborate on what level) and was going to Carlton next year and planning to play there. He agreed to play with us if we needed him to and I said I’d come get him when the time came. The time came and our team decided to go the Kwok route. And I stand corrected… Apollo scored on that point and my recap says we did (which is why I should not be writing the recaps). I looked for the soccer player after the game to thank him for offering but he was gone. And I didn’t even get his name…

    As I understand this power… it allows us to take a person from anywhere and add them to our team for one point. We don’t have to take someone from the opposing team. Strategically, the point in doing this would be to deprive your opponent of their best player and then make them play for you… or in this case “not”. But taking a random player whose abilities are unknown is really not using the point wisely. They could actually make things worse. Also, what is the liability of getting a random person to play and what happens if they get injured? Wow… too much coffee.

  10. Oh… and I’m sure Kwok is a better player. But we weren’t going to play him so that’s why I was looking for a plan “B”.

  11. Totally agree that grabbing the random soccer player who is going to Carlton to play ultimate could backfire as he could be terrible. But in my opinion, that’s an AWESOME use of the power, and quite honestly one of the best outside-the-box thinking for one of the powers. I applaud the thought, and a little bummed it didn’t happen. That would definitely be a contender for Call-of-the-Year at the 2017 LAOUT Awards, especially if the soccer player ended up being part of the score.

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