RecapSummer 2018Cheshire Cat vs Scratchy

Cheshire Cat


You know, when I was young, I assumed the word cheshire meant smiling, since that’s really most of what the Cheshire Cat did in the Disney movie.  But in fact, the word cheshire has nothing to do with that at all.

So where did that word Cheshire come from and how did get applied to a cat?  Well, turns out Google doesn’t really know either.

“It is not 100% clear why Carroll named this character ‘Cheshire Cat‘. “To grin like a Cheshire Cat” was a common phrase in Carroll’s day. Its origin is unknown, but it may have originated from a sign painter in Cheshire, who painted grinning lions on the sign-boards of inns in the area.”

Works for me.

More useless knowledge from me.  And so, we should just get to Joanna Whitney with the eyewitness report:

I fully admit to being superstitious. I had the thought 2 weeks ago, after another frustrating loss, that I should wear my furry vest that I wore to the draft. I forgot lat week and we lost again. I couldn’t help but wonder if my vest would have made a difference (I know this is not supported by facts, but I also know at least one person out there doesn’t wash some article of clothing during a winning streak and that person just gets me). This week I made sure to don my furry vest that Don gave me (see what I did there?). And guess what ya’ll? WE WON! Now it could have been the fact that we had a few less subs than normal, thus allowing us to flow well, or Jeremy’s amazing d throughout the night (kid got a run through d on Korb!), or Fuse and Tahlia bringing their confidence to their handling, or Joanna 2 taking on Remy and staying right on her heels as she broke deep for a huck (which let’s be honest, no one is ever excited about being in that position – girl is talented), but I like to think that my vest had some Cheshire magic of its own. In general, we played chilly, got to connect on hucks more than we have in the past, played some amazing d, only had one moment of grumbling about an out call, and got to see how strong our whole team is across the board.

We are also still holding on strong to an undefeated record of bar attendance. Last night it was something like 9-1. Keep on being you Cheshire, we’ve got the right priorities!

I wasn’t going to write much today and instead focus whoever happens to read the recaps towards some articles about gender equity*, but I had to brag a little about my team. So I leave you with this article I just read about why women don’t seem to play rec leagues at the same numbers as men:

I encourage everyone to read it, knowing full well that the people who probably need to read it most won’t. (This is me hoping reverse psychology/working towards people’s egos might get someone who needs this perspective to actually read the article). I also promise to actually read the comments here if anyone wants to discuss the article. You can also always come to the LAOUT Gender Equity monthly meeting to talk more and be a force for good in our community!

*Note: adding this article is in no way related to our game last night, both teams really make great efforts to make space for everyone on their teams, I just was reading this article right before I had to write this recap on my lunch break.

Joanna did look very happy in the furry vest, which she also wore to the bar.  So perhaps she was trying to get some good fortune at the bar as well.  I know they didn’t “win” the bar, cause we were the last ones there, so the furry vest only goes so far.

I read the article that she linked to.  But I’ll include my thoughts in a comment, not as part of this post.


  • Andy Bandit

    July 25, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    So I read the article she linked to. It obviously makes very good points that shouldn’t be ignored. And certainly the focus should be on those points. But it’s also a tough read as it stereotypes men by grouping us all into one single type of guy. There’s no point in the entire article where it divides men into those that act the way they describe and those that don’t, implying we are all this way.

    But yeah, definitely that kind of male aggression and sexism for sure exists. Not denying that. Maybe I’m naive but I like to believe Ultimate is on the more progressive end of the spectrum as a sport.

    I used to play a lot of basketball in LA before I found LAOUT. At the Colfax courts in North Hollywood 5 nights a week. I loved basketball, but I hated most of the guys who played there. You would get hard fouled whenever you tried to drive to the hoop, and you basically couldn’t call a foul unless you were injured. I kept going because I loved the sport, but I just didn’t get along with anyone there. There were no gender rules, but very few women played. And I’ll be honest, I didn’t really care for many of the women who played there either. Haha. When I found Ultimate, I loved it in part because the people seemed to be much nicer, and the game had much more spirit.

    I also play in a Co-ed company softball league where all the teams are from Fox. The rules require 3 women on the field at all times, and a woman must bat once every 4 spots in the lineup regardless of how many women are there. I honestly don’t understand why many of the women play. They are usually relegated to three positions: catcher, second base and outfield rover. When balls are hit to the outfield, a man will invariably run past the female rover to make the catch. When there’s a play at the plate, a man (usually the pitcher) will go over to home plate, and stand right in front of the female catcher to make the play. That happens all the time. Men play way closer when women bat, making it very difficult for some women to get hits. The league really does not look fun for many women. And it’s definitely hard to get enough women each week.


  • Joanna Whitney

    July 25, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    I think that’s important to think about Andy, but I’d also caution you against even broaching the side of #notallmen when you mention that they lump the men together. It’s not just on the egregious offenders to do better. We need allies who also police those types and by just saying “well I throw to women” is a first step but not the end step. We need to figure out ways to change mindsets and it helps to lead by example, but that’s not enough, and when some people aren’t valuing women’s opinions/feelings (or when there just aren’t many women because they are being turned off from playing) other men need to step in and demand better from their fellow players. There are always those guys that no one likes playing with, and they are the hardest to change, but when everyone makes it known that their attitude isn’t welcome they usually move on or learn to change. I’ve seen that happen in our leagues and pickups. It’s the lower level versions of that, the people we are friends with who don’t realize what they do and we like as people, that we need to think about how their style of play may affect how welcoming everyone actually perceives the leagues. It’s something I’ve seen within my own friend group playing 4v4 vs 5v5 on the beach. I hate 5v5 because the group of people I usually like playing with will resort to throwing to the men more and it’s not because they don’t like me or trust my skills, it’s those split second decisions that are habits that you may not even realize. This article: speaks to how to change habits, but I’m torn on this tactic as well because I don’t want to have to make handicaps just to get men to value women on the field. However, this also isn’t letting other women off the hook. I’ve been thinking a lot about how I choose people for positions or tell women to switch defenders based on how i perceive their skills, and that can be off-putting. It’s something I want to be more cognizant of in my own playing.


  • Andy Bandit

    July 25, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Alright, fair enough. I honestly did not know #notallmen was a thing. I’m clearly not woke. But I just read about it, and now I understand why it derails the conversation. I revoke my statement.


  • Chris Walthers

    July 27, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    I don’t understand why excluding tall men will help solve this solution. I am not a tall man myself, but I would like to help amplify the voice of the often neglected tall men who are being unfairly singled out. I hope we can all get together to squash this discriminatory hashtag #NoTallMen


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